September 28, 2009

Other Sources of Forgery. . . of sorts.

Filed under: counterfeit and questionable cards,General,news,stories — webjon @ 7:13 pm

Long before counterfeit autographs started popping up I started grabbing scans of unsigned and show signed autographs that I’ve seen around the web — mostly on eBay. This whole unsigned card hunt was prompted by the Motor City Comic Con. I passed by H.M. Wynant’s table. . . he signed cards for one of Rittenhouse’s Twilight Zone sets, and was at his table with a stack of a few hundred unsigned Rittenhouse autograph cards. Now I didn’t examine these, so they could have been ones made for him by the manufacturer that were different than the pack pulled cards. Rumors have circulated that they have done that in the past, but it reminded me of a few years before at the same con seeing Richard Kiel with a large stack of Wild Wild West autograph cards. . . so I started to wonder just what was out there, and I started to watch.

One of the first cards that really caught my eye was a Vanessa Angel Stargate autograph. . . the autograph looked a bit off, it was signed in a different pen, and had various inscriptions. . . then upon closer inspection white lines above and below the ‘card.’ I’m not sure where these cards came from, but it’s safe to say it wasn’t from packs of Stargate.

Of course I found other unsigned cards — the infamous Halle Berry X-Men movie, Cornerstone Kiss cards, even Comic Images Supreme and Heroes, not to mention some uncut sheets. There may not be a ton of stuff I’ve found, but the variety is very wide. Check out the unsigned/show signed gallery.

For a slightly different topic we have altered or after-market sketch cards. Those are sketch cards that have been modified by the artist — or someone else after they were pulled out of a pack. I don’t really want to get into the controversy of the topic, although I think everyone can agree a non-artist modifying a sketch card for profit is obviously a bad thing. Artist editing their own art isn’t as bad, but what about artists edited or destroying other artist’s work? Here we have a Jay Lynch card that is WAY better than anything pack inserted by Lynch, so I had to take a look at the auction — it’s graded so it has to be pack-pulled and legit, right? Here is the text from the auction listing:

2005 TOPPS JAY LYNCH BONY TONY SKETCH CARD PSA 9 MINT

I OBTAINED THIS CARD IN A TRADE A FEW YEARS BACK! HAD NO IDEA THE BACKGROUND JUST THOUGHT IT WAS A AWESOME 1 OF A KIND LYNCH

WHICH IT IS

THIS CARD IS AWESOME JAY LYNCH REALLY BREAKS OUT THE DETAIL FOR THIS CARD

THANKS TO MY BRO GPK COLLECTOR ON THE UG I NOW NO THE TRUE HISTORY OF HOW THIS CARD CAME ABOUT

THIS WAS ORIGINALLY A DON PERLIN PENCIL SKETCH THAT WAS TURNED INTO THIS BONY TONY PIECE OF ART BY JAY

THEN IT WAS SENT INTO PSA AND WAS AUTHENICATED AND GRADED 9 MINT

HOPE THIS GETS INTO THE RIGHT HANDS OF A SKETCH COLLECTOR THAT WILL APPRECIATE IT’S RAREITY AND DETAIL

ULTRA RARE AND MINT

This just cracks me up. . . first off someone destroyed a Don Perlin sketch — which at the time were selling for well over $100. Then PSA graded it. . . what are they grading — the condition of the card, perhaps, but not that it’s a legitimate pack-pulled sketch on the card. The seller of this auction clearly though he was getting a pack pulled sketch so most likely someone was getting a Lynch commission simply to flip it for more money, and of course it’s Ultra Rare. . . except I’ve seen a bunch of Lynch after markets on this set — mostly his own work that he’s added more to.

These are just more examples illustrating why it’s so important to know a lot about a card before you buy it.

I am always looking for pics of more unsigned and show signed cards — if you have any send ‘em over and I’ll get ‘em added to the gallery.

Happy Collecting!

Jon

September 27, 2009

Non-Sports Card Forum Gone?!?

Filed under: General — webjon @ 9:53 pm

An email went out saying Non-Sports Card Forum was going to close its doors. It’s been about three hours since that email went out, and now it looks like NSCF is gone.

Its sad, as I enjoyed the site for it’s banter — I could speak as a collector there, and not worry about the ‘moderator’ tag that sometimes interferes with posting my mind on Card Talk, but it was also a great site for buying/selling and trading.

I had some trades going on there, and I tried getting in touch with some folks at the end, but I think it was probably too late. If we had something in the works please feel free to contact me at jon (a) webjon (dot) com. There are a couple of people who still owe me some cards, and at least one waiting for cards from me, and another who I had just started a transaction with.

Anyway, I know some people were trying to put together a place for NSCF collectors, if something pops up please feel free to post a comment about it here. If there is nothing in a couple of weeks I’ll create a quick bulletin board to give it a whirl. Anyone interested in moderating / joining please let me know.

Right after posting this NSCF was again accessible. . . I’m keeping my eye on it and trying to wrap up the final things I had going on, but the offer for a new hope for NSCF still stands if it goes away. . .

Happy Collecting!

Jon

September 16, 2009

Holy Counterfeit Batman! Fake Katie found at CECE 2009.

Filed under: counterfeit and questionable cards,news,shows — webjon @ 7:07 pm

I’ve been doing a lot of research and getting a lot of help in finding fake autographs online lately. Mostly for my own information, but also for my column in NSU.

Many questionable cards have been pointed out to me on eBay, but I am reluctant to call most of them out because it’s simply very hard to tell based on the scans you see in auctions. Most of the scans are bad, and most of the defects are minute.

I was pretty convinced that the Katie Holmes autograph from Batman Begins had been counterfeited based on comparisons I made between scans online and a Holmes autograph I pulled myself, but after putting my hands on one in person I am sure:

Katie Holmes Fake Autograph

I happened to be looking through a stack of cards on a great dealer’s table and glanced over to see the card sitting there. I knew what to look for and I spotted it right away. The dealer had taken the card in trade about a year ago and had no clue it wasn’t legitimate. He was gracious enough to let me take the card home and scan it side by side with mine. The counterfeit card is on the left in the scan.

Even with nice scans — like the ones posted here — it’s difficult to tell which autograph is fake. Of course having them side by side is very helpful, but if there was a different autograph you’d never know. In fact I’d seen that same Holmes autograph in this dealers display case at several shows and never suspected anything was strange about it.

This card has a few tell tale signs that it’s fake, and one obvious give away that I’ll save until the end. The first thing to notice about this card is that the autograph in the fake card is perfectly adhered to the card. The glossy surface of the actual autographs didn’t hold the autograph’s ink well and all the legitimate cards I’ve seen have ink that has beaded up and looks a little blotchy. It’s difficult to see in the scan, but it does show up near the middle of the legitimate autograph.

The details in the fake card are a little off, the text on the back is difficult to read and not bright enough, the DC logo on the back of the card is fuzzy. Here is a close up scan of part of the row of bats that go along the bottom of the card.

Katie Detail

As you can see the bottom scan is more crisp than the top scan. In person one of the most obvious things is the watermark behind the signature. It didn’t show up in the scan much at all (which is the point of a water mark after all), but the real Holmes autograph has a faint watermark in the signature area. The fake Holmes has almost no watermark.

Katie Dino FootThe final thing I’ve noticed is that there is an extra white mark in the bottom area on the front of all of the fake cards I’ve found. I’m not sure why that is, perhaps there are legitimate cards out there with this mark — I refer to it as a ‘dinosaur foot’ as the white mark in general looks sort of like a dinosaur, and this would give the dino 2 feet, the extra foot is noted by the red arrow:

I have no idea how many of these fakes are out there, but I’ve seen several questionable Holmes autographs on eBay since I’ve started looking, I would say on average 10% of the ones I’ve seen on eBay have been questionable — and some of the most questionable ones have been graded and slabbed.

And I’ve seen a bunch of other fake cards out there as well. If you see any suspicious cards, or have purchased any you aren’t sure of please send scans or post about it somewhere so we can get the word out to collectors!

Be careful out there!



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